An excerpt from the discussion ‘From Representation to Presence’, at Fondation Louis Vuitton, 23 January 2015. Eliasson discusses his collaboration with Michel Bitbol, a French researcher in the philosophy of science, as well as the book they created together, called 'Never Known but Is the Knower / Jamais connu, il est le connaissant'. Participants included Olafur Eliasson, Hans Ulrich Obrist, Laurence Bosse, Michel Bitbol, and Claire Denis.